Donnie Walsh Tears Down the Knicks in 2 Years

Cosmic · 07-09-2008, 07:24 AM

Donnie Walsh Transactions

April 2, 2008 - Hired as President of Basketball Operations

April 18, 2008 - Fired Isiah Thomas as General Manager and Coach

April 18, 2008 - Re-assigned Isiah Thomas to scout European players.

May 13, 2008 - Hired Mike D'Antoni as Head Coach

May 28, 2008 - Dave Hanners, Phil Ford, George Glymph let go to Charlotte.

June 20, 2008 - Hired Dan D'Antoni, Phil Weber, Herb Williams as assistant Coaches.

June 26, 2008 - Drafted F Danilo Gallinari #6 overall.

July 9, 2008 - Signed G Chris Duhon, 2 years, 12M.

July 20, 2008 - Fired Brendan Suhr.

July 24, 2008 - Signed G Anthony Roberson, 2 years, minimum.

July 25, 2008 - Hired development coach Kenny Atkinson.

July 28, 2008 - Traded F Renaldo Balkman and $575,000 to Denver for a 2010 second-round draft pick, G Taurean Green and G/F Bobby Jones.

July 29, 2008 - Waived G Taurean Green and G/F Bobby Jones.

July 29, 2008 - Demoted MSG President Steve Mills to President of MSG Sports Teams Business Operations.

July 29, 2008 - Hired Scott O'Neil as President of Madison Square Garden.

August 20, 2008 - Hired John Gabriel as director of scouting and free agency.

August 20, 2008 - Hired Misho Ostarcevic as director of player personnel.

August 29, 2008 - Traded the rights to C Frederick Weis to the Rockets for F Patrick Ewing, Jr.

September 26, 2008 - Signed free agents G Dan Grunfeld and G Allan Houston.

October 23, 2008 - Waived F Allan Houston and G Dan Grunfeld.

October 23, 2008 - Picked up fourth year options on F Wilson Chander and G Mardy Collins.

October 27, 2008 - Knicks waive F Patrick Ewing Jr.

November 7, 2008 - Knicks name Allan Houston as Assistant to the President for Basketball Operations.

November 21, 2008 - Knicks trade G Jamal Crawford to the Warriors for F Al Harrington.

November 21, 2008 - Knicks trade F Zach Randolph and G Mardy Collins to the Clippers for F Tim Thomas and G Cuttino Mobley

February 19, 2009 - Knicks trade F Malik Rose and Cash to the Thunder for F/C Chris Wilcox

February 19, 2009 - Knicks trade F Tim Thomas, C Jerome James , and G Anthony Roberson to the Chicago Bulls for G Larry Hughes

February 24, 2009 - Knicks buy out G Stephon Marbury for 2.2M less of his original contract.

March 3, 2009 - Knicks sign F/C Cheik Samb to a 10 day contract.

March 6, 2009 - Knicks sign G/F Demetris Nichols to a 10 day contract.

March 13, 2009 - Knicks sign F/C Cheik Samb to a 2nd 10 day contract.

March 16, 2009 - Knicks sign G/F Demetris Nichols to a 2nd 10 day contract.

March 23, 2009 - Knicks release F/C Cheik Samb, sign C Courtney Sims to a 10 day contract.

March 27, 2009 - Knicks release G/F Demetris Nichols, sign G Joe Crawford to a 10 day contract.

April 2, 2009 - Knicks sign C Courtney Sims to a second 10 day contract.

April 7, 2009- Knicks sign G Joe Crawford for the remainder of the season.

April 9, 2009 - Knicks sign C Mouhamed Saer Sene.

April 12, 2009 - Knicks release C Courtney Sims.

April 14, 2009 - Knicks sign F/C Chris Hunter.

June 25, 2009 - Knicks acquire the Lakers 2009 1st round pick (#29) for a future 2011 2nd round pick and cash considerations.

June 25, 2009 - Knicks select F Jordan Hill at #8 and G Toney Douglas at #29.

June 25, 2009 - Knicks trade G/F Quentin Richardson and cash considerations to Memphis for C Darko Millicic.

July 9, 2009 - Knicks sign draft pick G Toney Douglas picked #29 overall.

July 11, 2009 - Knicks sign draft pick F Jordan Hill picked #8 overall.

July 31, 2009 - Knicks release C Saer Sene.

September 11, 2009 - Knicks sign F/C Warren Carter and G Gabe Pruit to non-guaranteed contracts.

September 13, 2009 - Knicks sign G Sun Yue to a partially guaranteed contract.

September 24, 2009 - Knicks re-sign F David Lee and G Nate Robinson to 1 year contracts.

September 24, 2009 - Knicks sign G Ron Howard and F Marcus Landry to non-guaranteed contracts.

October 7, 2009 - Knicks waive F Warren Carter, G Ron Howard, G Gabe Pruitt and G Sun Yue.

October 22, 2009 - Knicks waive G Joe Crawford and F/C Chris Hunter.

October 23, 2009 - Knicks pick up the 4th year option of F Wilson Chandler and the 3rd year option of F Danilo Gallinari. Both options are for the 2010-2011 season.

December 13, 2009 - Knicks sign F/C Jonathan Bender.

February 17, 2010 - Knicks trade C Darko Millicic for F Brian Cardinal.

February 18, 2010 - Knicks trade G Nate Robinson and F Marcus Landry for G Eddie House, G JR Giddens, F Bill Walker and a 2nd round pick.

February 18, 2010 - Knicks trade F Jared Jeffries, G Larry Hughes, F Jordan Hill, a right to swap 2011 1st round picks with Houston, and a 2012 Top 5 protected 1st round pick -- FOR -- G Tracy McGrady and G Sergio Rodriguez.

February 19, 2010 - Knicks waive F Brian Cardinal.

April 2, 2010 - Knicks sign F/C Earl Barron.

April 5, 2010 - Knicks waive G Cuttino Mobley.

J9Starks3 · 07-09-2008, 07:26 AM

need to sticky this... Duhon will be next and hopefully the release of Marbury and the trade of Zach soon follow

Cosmic · 07-09-2008, 07:37 AM

Yup, done. I thought it'd be a good idea to have a nice clean sheet to add to. I have Isiah's atrocities in the "stats" forum so it was time to take down the Walsh notes.

I assume Duhon will be official tonight. Zach trade? Eh, with that salary and questionmark it will take some discussion for anything there. If he is indeed outgoing it'll take what... 2 weeks maybe of discussions?

Marbury? Again, you would assume that's cut and dry: Either buy him out immediately - or - turn him loose on the court for one last season. No middle ground there. If middle ground/reduced role is wanted? Then buy him out 'cause it's not worth the head ache.

msg33 · 07-10-2008, 09:38 AM

now we can add sign Chris Duhon

Nate126 · 07-10-2008, 01:26 PM

April 18, 2008 - Fired Isiah Thomas as General Manager and Coach

lovely.

Cosmic · 07-12-2008, 10:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nate126

April 18, 2008 - Fired Isiah Thomas as General Manager and Coach

lovely.

Isn't that nice? I like that line. I like it a lot.

Other lines I may like is "Zach Randolph traded..." --- "Jerome James Waived"

....if I've missed anything yet, let me know fellas, I'll add it in.

Cosmic · 07-12-2008, 10:36 AM

Should we bother with a rumor section?

Such as....

Rumors and deals that fell through.

Tried to trade up in the 2008 draft to 2nd and 5th.
Tried to buy a late 1st round pick in the 2008 draft.
Tried to trade Zach Randolph to the Bucks on draft night.
Had talks with Baron Davis.
Declined to trade Zach Randholph to the Clippers 7/11/08.

????

J9Starks3 · 07-12-2008, 03:15 PM

No...this is New York...we would need a 400 page thread to get through the rumors....

Cosmic · 07-13-2008, 08:12 AM

Yeah, True... besides I can just post a link to the NBA Players Listings to account for the rumor mill.

Cosmic · 07-18-2008, 05:48 AM

So we agreed to sign Roberson on the 16th. 2 years, minimum salary.

Has this gone through yet though? Anyone know?

J9Starks3 · 07-18-2008, 05:49 AM

I havent seen anything official from the Knicks yet

msg33 · 07-18-2008, 06:32 AM

So far, we have added

Cosmic · 07-28-2008, 08:53 PM

flat out shitty entry I just had to add... bleh

kiyaman · 08-10-2008, 05:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cosmic

Yup, done. I thought it'd be a good idea to have a nice clean sheet to add to. I have Isiah's atrocities in the "stats" forum so it was time to take down the Walsh note.

First Impressions always lead to your best impressions of someone.

I recall starting a Stat on Isiah Thomas untill ............ he made that trade for Marbury & Hardaway. Those of you members who was in the last forum (EZ) and the ESPN forum remember how I attacked Isiah Thomas for not being the right man for this Knick Job when he made that Marbury & Hardaway trade.
And the more I kept attacking Isiah Thomas he kept making more and more super dum decisions for this Knick organization.
Isiah great eye for young draft picks is not enough to be a President or G.M. of a team in the NBA.

I started a stat on Donnie Walsh and was going to stop when he hired coach D'Antoni, but I let it pass thinking Walsh already selected a G.M. inwhich the hiring of coach D'Antoni was the bait to get this mystery G.M. to sign.
When draft night came and no G.M. was signed and the Knicks selected their 4th SF with their first round pick as if the MAX MLE SF dont exist on their roster, that was enough to prove that Donnie Walsh was not the right man for this Knick Job.
I'm not saying that Walsh is not good at anything, there have to be something that he is good at consistently to keep a 20 year job in Indiana.
It's just that I have not found it yet in his 20 year resume.
However, this is New York! a bigger and larger enterprise than the Indiana Pacers could ever become. Plus the owner of the Pacers was wise enough to see that the organization needed a wise G.M. (Larry Bird) to help Donnie Walsh decision making.

kiyaman · 08-10-2008, 05:32 AM

My First Impression of the Walsh 2010 Plan left me questionable, the performance of Lebron, Wade, and Bosh have over 3/4 of the NBA teams Presidents in the league with this plan during the 2007 Finals

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April 2, 2008 - Hired as President of Basketball Operations

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April 18, 2008 - Fired Isiah Thomas as General Manager and Coach

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April 18, 2008 - Re-assigned Isiah Thomas to scout European players.

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May 13, 2008 - Hired Mike D'Antoni as Head Coach

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May 28, 2008 - Dave Hanners, Phil Ford, George Glymph let go to Charlotte.

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June 20, 2008 - Hired Dan D'Antoni, Phil Weber, Herb Williams as assistant Coaches.

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June 26, 2008 - Drafted F Danilo Gallinari #6 overall.

My First Impression of Walsh stopped on June 26, 2008.
My evaluation leads me to make the consumation of Walsh early as June 26, 2008.
Walsh is the wrong man for the Knicks Job...

msg33 · 08-12-2008, 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kiyaman

First Impressions always lead to your best impressions of someone.

I recall starting a Stat on Isiah Thomas untill ............ he made that trade for Marbury & Hardaway. Those of you members who was in the last forum (EZ) and the ESPN forum remember how I attacked Isiah Thomas for not being the right man for this Knick Job when he made that Marbury & Hardaway trade.
And the more I kept attacking Isiah Thomas he kept making more and more super dum decisions for this Knick organization.
Isiah great eye for young draft picks is not enough to be a President or G.M. of a team in the NBA.

I started a stat on Donnie Walsh and was going to stop when he hired coach D'Antoni, but I let it pass thinking Walsh already selected a G.M. inwhich the hiring of coach D'Antoni was the bait to get this mystery G.M. to sign.
When draft night came and no G.M. was signed and the Knicks selected their 4th SF with their first round pick as if the MAX MLE SF dont exist on their roster, that was enough to prove that Donnie Walsh was not the right man for this Knick Job.
I'm not saying that Walsh is not good at anything, there have to be something that he is good at consistently to keep a 20 year job in Indiana.
It's just that I have not found it yet in his 20 year resume.
However, this is New York! a bigger and larger enterprise than the Indiana Pacers could ever become. Plus the owner of the Pacers was wise enough to see that the organization needed a wise G.M. (Larry Bird) to help Donnie Walsh decision making.

It must be something that he has in his lawyer-esque skills to last 20 years or the owner was devoted to him like the Wolves do to McHale amidst his years of mishap, albeit Walsh has made better deals than McHale, his one bad move could be seen as Jonathon Bender that never panned out due to injury.

and Kiya, you have pinned Danilo as injury proned for his first 2-3 years in the nba.

kiyaman · 09-14-2008, 10:55 AM

Its time for every member to grade Donnie Walsh offseason actions, it's September 15.

What grade do you give Donnie Walsh???

J9Starks3 · 09-14-2008, 11:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kiyaman

Its time for every member to grade Donnie Walsh offseason actions, it's September 15.

What grade do you give Donnie Walsh???

Its been 5 months.... not even an entire offseason...

Do you agree that Donnie Walsh inherited a horrible team? If so, then how is it that he should have it turned around in 5 months and less than 1 full offseason...

Walsh gets about 18 months before I start to really second guess him. The one thing that he has done, which I like, is he is not going to continue the mistake of Isiah and rush to just dump everyone, ruin chemistry and not build a proper team, the proper way...

Cosmic · 09-15-2008, 05:45 AM

While it's only been 5 months I give him a D-

Why?

Duhon - pointless head scratching full MLE for two seasons. (already got nate, collins, crawford, marbury)
Roberson - absolutely pointless addition.
Balkman - traded for nothing - should have released malik instead.
Marbury - should already have been released.
Malik - should already have been released.
Zach - why on earth is he still here?

The only reason Walsh doesn't get a straight up F is because DAntoni is a decent coaching hire.

However, regardless of time line, Donnies offseason moves have been terrible. Pure and simple. So based on that - he gets a D-.

Can that grade improve? Sure....Zach being shipped out in the next two weeks brings it up to a C.

kiyaman · 09-15-2008, 06:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by J9Starks3

Its been 5 months.... not even an entire offseason...

Do you agree that Donnie Walsh inherited a horrible team? If so, then how is it that he should have it turned around in 5 months and less than 1 full offseason...

Walsh gets about 18 months before I start to really second guess him. The one thing that he has done, which I like, is he is not going to continue the mistake of Isiah and rush to just dump everyone, ruin chemistry and not build a proper team, the proper way...

Starks, new or old every President or GM should have an active-plan for the start of each year.
The majority of trades and the change of each team in the NBA is during June, July, August, and September.
Now give your grade of Donnie Walsh offseason performance?
Here is a better way to evaluate Walsh performance:

Miami had a 15 win season, Seattle a 20 win, Memphis a 22 win, Clippers & Knicks a 23 win, Charlotte a 32, Chicago a 33, and Nets a 34 season.

How many of the above teams President and GM performance this offseason grades higher or lower than Donnie Walsh?
Will any of the above teams have a .500 team this season?

07-09-2008, 07:24 AM	#1
Cosmic Buy Out McCurry Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: New Jersey Posts: 6,497	Donnie Walsh Tears Down the Knicks in 2 Years Donnie Walsh Transactions April 2, 2008 - Hired as President of Basketball Operations April 18, 2008 - Fired Isiah Thomas as General Manager and Coach April 18, 2008 - Re-assigned Isiah Thomas to scout European players. May 13, 2008 - Hired Mike D'Antoni as Head Coach May 28, 2008 - Dave Hanners, Phil Ford, George Glymph let go to Charlotte. June 20, 2008 - Hired Dan D'Antoni, Phil Weber, Herb Williams as assistant Coaches. June 26, 2008 - Drafted F Danilo Gallinari #6 overall. July 9, 2008 - Signed G Chris Duhon, 2 years, 12M. July 20, 2008 - Fired Brendan Suhr. July 24, 2008 - Signed G Anthony Roberson, 2 years, minimum. July 25, 2008 - Hired development coach Kenny Atkinson. July 28, 2008 - Traded F Renaldo Balkman and $575,000 to Denver for a 2010 second-round draft pick, G Taurean Green and G/F Bobby Jones. July 29, 2008 - Waived G Taurean Green and G/F Bobby Jones. July 29, 2008 - Demoted MSG President Steve Mills to President of MSG Sports Teams Business Operations. July 29, 2008 - Hired Scott O'Neil as President of Madison Square Garden. August 20, 2008 - Hired John Gabriel as director of scouting and free agency. August 20, 2008 - Hired Misho Ostarcevic as director of player personnel. August 29, 2008 - Traded the rights to C Frederick Weis to the Rockets for F Patrick Ewing, Jr. September 26, 2008 - Signed free agents G Dan Grunfeld and G Allan Houston. October 23, 2008 - Waived F Allan Houston and G Dan Grunfeld. October 23, 2008 - Picked up fourth year options on F Wilson Chander and G Mardy Collins. October 27, 2008 - Knicks waive F Patrick Ewing Jr. November 7, 2008 - Knicks name Allan Houston as Assistant to the President for Basketball Operations. November 21, 2008 - Knicks trade G Jamal Crawford to the Warriors for F Al Harrington. November 21, 2008 - Knicks trade F Zach Randolph and G Mardy Collins to the Clippers for F Tim Thomas and G Cuttino Mobley February 19, 2009 - Knicks trade F Malik Rose and Cash to the Thunder for F/C Chris Wilcox February 19, 2009 - Knicks trade F Tim Thomas, C Jerome James , and G Anthony Roberson to the Chicago Bulls for G Larry Hughes February 24, 2009 - Knicks buy out G Stephon Marbury for 2.2M less of his original contract. March 3, 2009 - Knicks sign F/C Cheik Samb to a 10 day contract. March 6, 2009 - Knicks sign G/F Demetris Nichols to a 10 day contract. March 13, 2009 - Knicks sign F/C Cheik Samb to a 2nd 10 day contract. March 16, 2009 - Knicks sign G/F Demetris Nichols to a 2nd 10 day contract. March 23, 2009 - Knicks release F/C Cheik Samb, sign C Courtney Sims to a 10 day contract. March 27, 2009 - Knicks release G/F Demetris Nichols, sign G Joe Crawford to a 10 day contract. April 2, 2009 - Knicks sign C Courtney Sims to a second 10 day contract. April 7, 2009- Knicks sign G Joe Crawford for the remainder of the season. April 9, 2009 - Knicks sign C Mouhamed Saer Sene. April 12, 2009 - Knicks release C Courtney Sims. April 14, 2009 - Knicks sign F/C Chris Hunter. June 25, 2009 - Knicks acquire the Lakers 2009 1st round pick (#29) for a future 2011 2nd round pick and cash considerations. June 25, 2009 - Knicks select F Jordan Hill at #8 and G Toney Douglas at #29. June 25, 2009 - Knicks trade G/F Quentin Richardson and cash considerations to Memphis for C Darko Millicic. July 9, 2009 - Knicks sign draft pick G Toney Douglas picked #29 overall. July 11, 2009 - Knicks sign draft pick F Jordan Hill picked #8 overall. July 31, 2009 - Knicks release C Saer Sene. September 11, 2009 - Knicks sign F/C Warren Carter and G Gabe Pruit to non-guaranteed contracts. September 13, 2009 - Knicks sign G Sun Yue to a partially guaranteed contract. September 24, 2009 - Knicks re-sign F David Lee and G Nate Robinson to 1 year contracts. September 24, 2009 - Knicks sign G Ron Howard and F Marcus Landry to non-guaranteed contracts. October 7, 2009 - Knicks waive F Warren Carter, G Ron Howard, G Gabe Pruitt and G Sun Yue. October 22, 2009 - Knicks waive G Joe Crawford and F/C Chris Hunter. October 23, 2009 - Knicks pick up the 4th year option of F Wilson Chandler and the 3rd year option of F Danilo Gallinari. Both options are for the 2010-2011 season. December 13, 2009 - Knicks sign F/C Jonathan Bender. February 17, 2010 - Knicks trade C Darko Millicic for F Brian Cardinal. February 18, 2010 - Knicks trade G Nate Robinson and F Marcus Landry for G Eddie House, G JR Giddens, F Bill Walker and a 2nd round pick. February 18, 2010 - Knicks trade F Jared Jeffries, G Larry Hughes, F Jordan Hill, a right to swap 2011 1st round picks with Houston, and a 2012 Top 5 protected 1st round pick -- FOR -- G Tracy McGrady and G Sergio Rodriguez. February 19, 2010 - Knicks waive F Brian Cardinal. April 2, 2010 - Knicks sign F/C Earl Barron. April 5, 2010 - Knicks waive G Cuttino Mobley. Last edited by Cosmic; 04-07-2010 at 05:09 AM.

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07-09-2008, 07:26 AM	#2
J9Starks3 The Dunk Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: CT Posts: 8,051	need to sticky this... Duhon will be next and hopefully the release of Marbury and the trade of Zach soon follow

07-09-2008, 07:37 AM	#3
Cosmic Buy Out McCurry Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: New Jersey Posts: 6,497	Yup, done. I thought it'd be a good idea to have a nice clean sheet to add to. I have Isiah's atrocities in the "stats" forum so it was time to take down the Walsh notes. I assume Duhon will be official tonight. Zach trade? Eh, with that salary and questionmark it will take some discussion for anything there. If he is indeed outgoing it'll take what... 2 weeks maybe of discussions? Marbury? Again, you would assume that's cut and dry: Either buy him out immediately - or - turn him loose on the court for one last season. No middle ground there. If middle ground/reduced role is wanted? Then buy him out 'cause it's not worth the head ache.

07-10-2008, 09:38 AM	#4
msg33 Moderator Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Utopia-Planet Earth Posts: 8,422	now we can add sign Chris Duhon

07-10-2008, 01:26 PM	#5
Nate126 All-Star Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Internet Posts: 390	April 18, 2008 - Fired Isiah Thomas as General Manager and Coach lovely.

07-12-2008, 10:36 AM	#7
Cosmic Buy Out McCurry Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: New Jersey Posts: 6,497	Should we bother with a rumor section? Such as.... Rumors and deals that fell through. Tried to trade up in the 2008 draft to 2nd and 5th. Tried to buy a late 1st round pick in the 2008 draft. Tried to trade Zach Randolph to the Bucks on draft night. Had talks with Baron Davis. Declined to trade Zach Randholph to the Clippers 7/11/08. ????

07-12-2008, 03:15 PM	#8
J9Starks3 The Dunk Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: CT Posts: 8,051	No...this is New York...we would need a 400 page thread to get through the rumors....

07-13-2008, 08:12 AM	#9
Cosmic Buy Out McCurry Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: New Jersey Posts: 6,497	Yeah, True... besides I can just post a link to the NBA Players Listings to account for the rumor mill.

07-18-2008, 05:48 AM	#10
Cosmic Buy Out McCurry Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: New Jersey Posts: 6,497	So we agreed to sign Roberson on the 16th. 2 years, minimum salary. Has this gone through yet though? Anyone know?

07-18-2008, 05:49 AM	#11
J9Starks3 The Dunk Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: CT Posts: 8,051	I havent seen anything official from the Knicks yet

07-18-2008, 06:32 AM	#12
msg33 Moderator Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Utopia-Planet Earth Posts: 8,422	So far, we have added

07-28-2008, 08:53 PM	#13
Cosmic Buy Out McCurry Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: New Jersey Posts: 6,497	flat out shitty entry I just had to add... bleh

09-14-2008, 10:55 AM	#17
kiyaman All-Star Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 1,842	Its time for every member to grade Donnie Walsh offseason actions, it's September 15. What grade do you give Donnie Walsh???

09-15-2008, 05:45 AM	#19
Cosmic Buy Out McCurry Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: New Jersey Posts: 6,497	While it's only been 5 months I give him a D- Why? Duhon - pointless head scratching full MLE for two seasons. (already got nate, collins, crawford, marbury) Roberson - absolutely pointless addition. Balkman - traded for nothing - should have released malik instead. Marbury - should already have been released. Malik - should already have been released. Zach - why on earth is he still here? The only reason Walsh doesn't get a straight up F is because DAntoni is a decent coaching hire. However, regardless of time line, Donnies offseason moves have been terrible. Pure and simple. So based on that - he gets a D-. Can that grade improve? Sure....Zach being shipped out in the next two weeks brings it up to a C.

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